Film Theory: The Joker Is Not Real (Joker 2019 Spoiler Free)

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  • Published: 08 September 2019
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    This year we are getting a seemingly brand new take on the classic Batman villain, the Joker. This version stars Joaquin Phoenix as a failed comedian named Arthur Fleck - a new name for the old character. People are saying it's a whole new origin story for the Joker and I think that's true... but maybe not in the way most people are thinking. I think this Joker is not actually REAL! What do I mean? You're about to find out!

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    Credits:
    Writer: Matthew Patrick and Zach Stewart
    Editors: Dan "Cybert" Seibert, BanditRants, and Alex "Sedge" Sedgwick
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    Sources:
    https://www.nme.com/news/film/joker-director-says-viewers-will-mad-new-film-strays-completely-comic-book-2525698
    https://www.nme.com/news/film/marc-maron-tells-us-working-joaquin-phoenixs-upcoming-joker-origin-movie-2466904
    http://www.schizophrenia.com/earlysigns.htm#
    https://www.sciencealert.com/schizophrenia-is-80-genetic-according-to-this-massive-study-on-twins
    https://sci-hub.tw/https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1556-4029.12858
    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/robert-de-niro-joker-king-of-comedy-1202055636/
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Comments • 11 570

  • Silverlance TV
    Silverlance TV  1 minutes back

    he has not a laughing disorder, he has just a different kind sense of humor

    • Diego Martinez
      Diego Martinez  19 minutes back

      Man, can't believe you're pulling off the hat the trailer argument as if it were an heavy weight ammunition from the derailed caboose of your train of tought, like if trailers weren't made to create hype. IT'S OBVIOUS that the trailer mix a lot of images to generate anxiety and the idea of action in a movie. But you have already seen the movie, you should forget about the trailer; deceiving the audience about the plot it's ussually a resource that trailers use in series, movies, EVEN DOCUMENTARIES. DC movies aren't made by the same director, and this one gets off the line of the other comic movies, so I don't see direct relation to the resource you mention in the Superman/Batman movie part. You surely have ligma. Best regards.

      • Matthew Lucas
        Matthew Lucas  25 minutes back

        15 minutes I can't have back

        • Ace. S
          Ace. S  32 minutes back

          So......who's ready for a MoonKnight Movie???

          • Saggerias
            Saggerias  2 hours back

            This would mean the entire DC storyline is fake though right? Atleast batman's because we see his parents die in the movie. That's unavoidable in how batman was made.

            • Commodore Rook
              Commodore Rook  2 hours back

              I have a feeling, that this is not THE Joker at all, but just some guy who wants to he the Joker.

              • Justin Crawford
                Justin Crawford  3 hours back

                I dont 100% agree but good video!

                • EJ Makibelo
                  EJ Makibelo  4 hours back

                  Game theorists: "it has a strong genetic component."

                  Joker: "That's not my mom."

                  • Stephanie Udave
                    Stephanie Udave  4 hours back

                    Oil iij b hs01
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                    • MisterPotatoBag
                      MisterPotatoBag  4 hours back

                      This movie is art , a masterpeice

                      • Creepergirl Animations
                        Creepergirl Animations  5 hours back

                        0:06
                        My life

                        • The Joker
                          The Joker  5 hours back

                          what do you mean THAT version is not the joker? of course it's the joker. or well a version of THE joker but still the joker.

                          • icansubscribeyou
                            icansubscribeyou  5 hours back

                            SHUT UP IF THE OWNER SAYING THAT HE IS JOKER THAN HE IS

                            • No I'm Not A Pokemon
                              No I'm Not A Pokemon  7 hours back

                              *SPOILER WARNING*






                              I think the scene in the beginning of the film were Arthur imagines being on Murray's talk show is mirrored at the end where the Clowns of Gotham all praise him as he stands on top of the hood of the police cruiser. It's how he wants to see the world, not how it actually is. "We see the world not as it is, but as we are."

                              Side note: this could also be why there are so many obvious parallels to The King of Comedy - Joker (in Arkham) retelling "his story" could be using the plot of The King of Comedy as a template for his origin story. The TRUE Joker at the end of the film is in current year, rather than in the 80's. The additional scenes with Bruce Wayne and Alfred at the gate are only after the fact that the Joker has figured out who Batman really is. This could also potentially be how the movie ties into the Batman solo film coming out.

                              • DeepFried Wat3rMel0n
                                DeepFried Wat3rMel0n  8 hours back

                                To paraphrase what Jay said on Red Letter Media, the real joke is on those ideological idiots who took one sniff of the trailer and arrogantly assumed that this film would promote Incel violence and gun crime, who now have to sit back in embarrassment and shame as they realize what this film really promotes - mental health awareness. I get people don't want a film to promote violence, I was admittedly worried the film would too much support having resentment against society, but having an open mind aside, numerous films in the past have been more violent than Joker, and both not caused controversy, nor any crime, heck, one could reasonably argue that aspects of Islam or even Christianity can promote violence if read in the wrong way. Does it mean those should be censored and shunned too? When assessing the impact of art, or anything for that matter, you can't judge the outcome by the outliers.

                                • DeepFried Wat3rMel0n
                                  DeepFried Wat3rMel0n  8 hours back

                                  The tragedy is Arthur dreamed of helping people by making them laugh, but in order to help other's you have to first help yourself. Arthur didn't find anything funny, he was too caught up in his own delusion and suffering, he didn't see a way out, so inevitably, he couldn't be funny either.

                                  • DeepFried Wat3rMel0n
                                    DeepFried Wat3rMel0n  8 hours back

                                    I'm so relieved this film is fantastic, and that it treads the line so well of not convincing or aiding people to support Fleck's violent and resentful actions. I was worried this film, as were many, would encourage malcontent, though unlike many I came in with an open mind. you connect with Arthur even in his darkest moments, and while you know, in the most typically Tragedian sense, thanks to his iconography as the Joker, that his snap is coming, you're constantly wishing him to help himself. His life seems very bleak, with no easy escape, and that's how it is for some people, but the point is while there is no easy escape, there is a way out in the long term.
                                    I think more than anything what this film does is inspire people not to end up like Arthur, not to remain the sum of their faults, to be honest, have integrity, and not get lost in their fantasies, I think that's the power of art, i think it's why things like the Bible have stuck around so long, as while logically and rationally it doesn't hold up anymore - I mean really, it doesn't - is because the metaphorical essence of many of the story's remains and for all the faults religion can produce the reason it sticks around is because it connects universally with people, and films like this, Taxi Driver, and so on, are the same, not to compare joker 2019 to the Bible, obviously. A violent person could easily be spurred on to commit violence, but so could they be by the Bible, or the Koran, or many films and other art forms, it's not the responsibility of the artist, but the responsibility of the individual and those around them to ensure that they and other's don't go off the rails, and i think films like Joker have far more of a positive effect than a negative one, you can't judge an outcome by the outliers.
                                    Other films close to Joker I immensely recommend are *Her* (2013, also with Phoenix) and *Lars and the Real Girl* (2007) a terrific under-appreciated Canadian comedy-drama starring Ryan Gosling, about a humble but mentally struggling loner who falls in love with a sex doll, and the entire town have to go along with it. Both explore a far more positive outcome of battling these universal demons we all face, and the answer in both films is about disconnecting your current self from your fantasies, your anxieties, and your past, and by better integrating yourself with the world around you, expressing yourself more, interacting with people, finding the courage to express genuine positive emotion. These processes can be long and painful, and there is no quick fix, especially considering professional help is critically unavailable even now. But, with the immense toxicity and suffering social media and the internet gives, there are also benefits, we have a vast swath of resources on the edge of our fingertips, amazing podcasts, forums, communities, articles, lectures, ways to discover books and art and other things which, if you look in the right places ad don't get caught up in the overblown cancerous nature of online interaction and the media, can be life changing.
                                    An individual, whom I discovered through a friend, and whom I listen to regularly online on podcasts and lectures and debates, whom really changed my life, is Jordan Peterson. He is a controversial figure but he speaks truly to every person, and he is a genuinely caring, wise, and passionate person, and his book 12 Rules for life was the catalyst to lift me out of depression, as well as writing the first draft to my own novel.
                                    What I can recommend to anyone, who feels like they are drifting closely to the character of Arthur and his situation, or whom struggle with mental illness, is 3 things. Firstly, try in whatever way you can to get more regular sleep, it is far and above the most important of physical and mental health, and getting at least 7 hours will improve your life in every way imaginable. Secondly, find what it is you are truly passionate about, it will help guide your course through life, give you more genuine emotion and connection and inspire you to be motivated. lastly, find a way to interact, face to face, with more people positively, whether it's just saying hi or smiling at a stranger (unless you're in a city of course, RIP), and getting more involved in the real world, you''ll appreciate yourself more, feel more included, and see how you are not just a waste of space, with all your potential goodness only trapped inside your head. Articulate, express, regulate, and analyse your emotions. It is a long, difficult, painful process, but it is also one for immense improvement and benefit for those around you, and a chance to take some of that dream and ambition of having a great impact in life into reality. This is the great thing about Art, even art that is depressing, or bleak, it inspires self-reflection, and catharsis, and it inspires people to come together as a community and interact with and aid one another.

                                    • James Verhoeven
                                      James Verhoeven  8 hours back

                                      His nam was author in the killing joke, no your shit lmao god I hate myself

                                      • DMaurier Weaver
                                        DMaurier Weaver  8 hours back

                                        Swing and a miss

                                        • Dan Barylak
                                          Dan Barylak  8 hours back

                                          SPOILER MAYBE!!!!

                                          I think he did perform the acts as joker. All the scenes that played in his head he wasn't smoking a cigarette and the scenes where he was smoking was real. imo. He was in Arkham after getting arrested that night of the riots. If you watch the movie I feel like you can decide what is real and what isn't. Based off the tone of what was happening.

                                          • george atanasov
                                            george atanasov  9 hours back

                                            how dare you show Shutter Island as fake 😭

                                            • Rojas Jeremy
                                              Rojas Jeremy  9 hours back

                                              He made the title for click bait; used to like this guy now it feels like crap theory

                                              • Frost Reaper
                                                Frost Reaper  9 hours back

                                                but...i have a question for joker and the people who have schyzophrenia (spelled wrong).

                                                *WHY ON EARTH DO THEY PAINT THEIR TOUNGE*

                                                • The Enj
                                                  The Enj  10 hours back

                                                  Cant mention hereditary disorders since he was adopted so we dont know his parents

                                                  • Bowser Main
                                                    Bowser Main  12 hours back

                                                    I feel like i remember playing Batman Arkham Knight and they made a mention of the Joker being named Arthur

                                                    • a z a r
                                                      a z a r  12 hours back

                                                      Watch Charlie Chaplins Modern World, it’s on on banner of the theatre at the protest scene for a reason.

                                                      • GoneDeathMode
                                                        GoneDeathMode  12 hours back

                                                        This film is kinda offensive to those people who suffer from mental health illnesses. "WHY"?

                                                        While we are given an insight to a possible scenario involving a person with mental health issues, the film gives off the impression that people with mental health illnesses are prone to fantasising.
                                                        That these people are prone to destructive thoughts and actions.
                                                        That WE should be cautious of these people, rather than promoting acceptance and empathy.

                                                        • Evil With In
                                                          Evil With In  14 hours back

                                                          Joker was a masterpiece.

                                                          • Barefoot Bear
                                                            Barefoot Bear  14 hours back

                                                            He suffers from being a Gamma Male, the quenisential liar. Lies make you mentally ill people.

                                                            • Barefoot Bear
                                                              Barefoot Bear  15 hours back

                                                              "Completely original" meaning they took the story from movies instead of a COMIC, more specifically, they copy and pasted two movies, taxi driver and the king of comedy, together to make this flop. There's nothing original about this movie. It's almost exactly like the king of comedy, with the beginning of the movie being taxi driver. They're even mama's boys, with sexual undertones (yes, gamma males do want to screw their moms, which is why they marry women like their moms, but I digress).

                                                              • Zac_The_Viking
                                                                Zac_The_Viking  15 hours back

                                                                Anyone else while watching the film pick up on the suit that he wears towards the end? Its made pretty clear that he is very poor from the beginning and he even loses his job...soooooo how does he have this 3 piece suit? unless he had been saving up for a while I suppose that this could support the idea that it is all playing out in his head.

                                                                • Barefoot Bear
                                                                  Barefoot Bear  16 hours back

                                                                  This is why this joker fails. He doesn't even understand comedy. A joker must understand comedy. Comedy isn't subjective, it's actually extramely objective. If something isn't objectively funny, then it isn't comedy. That doesn't mean people have to laugh or get it, but there's nothing subjective about it, much like how Heath Legers Joker percieved comedy: he understood the comedy of people pretending to be civilized when they would eat each other to stay alive. There's an objective truth in that that makes it comedy, and as that iteration of the Joker identifies it as a bad joke, but a joke nonetheless. He understands jokes, he understands comedy. Comedy is a science. When someone says comedy is subjective, they're wrong. They just have a post modern mindset where nothing actually matters, and there's a name for those people, pathetic. Joker isn't supposed to be pathetic or exist without batman, which is the worst part about this movie. The Joker only exists because of batman, and if you take that away, you don't have a real joker. You have a sad guy is makeup, which sounds pretty boring. And there's a reason for why this isn't a real Joker. He doesn't follow any of the Jokers foundational principles. No acid, no wife, and no real tragedy that creates him. The entire basis of his character is a mirror of batman, one bad day made him the person he was. This joker was always crazy and was abused. Yeah that's sad, but it's not how you make a Joker.

                                                                  • Barefoot Bear
                                                                    Barefoot Bear  17 hours back

                                                                    It's not a masterpiece, it's not even original. It's a combination of taxi driver and the king of comedy. This Joker incarnation is bad, he just acts like a tranny when he makes his full transformation. It's a pretty bad movie considering the hype it's getting. 6/10

                                                                    • Julie Dorman
                                                                      Julie Dorman  17 hours back

                                                                      He is smoking when he's hallucinating. Notice how the cigarette appears and disappears in scenes

                                                                    • rest less
                                                                      rest less  18 hours back

                                                                      The twixtor in these clips is a bit warpy my nigga, try making your frames 35 and velocity to 260.

                                                                      • llama logic
                                                                        llama logic  18 hours back

                                                                        Well yes, but pretty much no

                                                                        • Reservoir Channel
                                                                          Reservoir Channel  19 hours back

                                                                          its not a real joker, its a guy in arkham asylum who thinks he is. that simple.

                                                                          • S 93
                                                                            S 93  20 hours back

                                                                            When I seen joker it reminded me of taxi

                                                                            • Velockies
                                                                              Velockies  20 hours back

                                                                              so hes a pyro?

                                                                              • Oi Gromit
                                                                                Oi Gromit  22 hours back

                                                                                Yeah, he just imagines every thing. It's his origin story it would be really stupid to go the, it was all in his head route

                                                                                • Benjamin Elswick
                                                                                  Benjamin Elswick  22 hours back

                                                                                  Just seen joker and oml

                                                                                  • Dereck Velasquez
                                                                                    Dereck Velasquez  22 hours back

                                                                                    Ohhhh , there is no Batman ??? Joker created him in his mind

                                                                                    • Tystro Naut
                                                                                      Tystro Naut  24 hours back

                                                                                      Not Schizophrenia.
                                                                                      More Dissociative Identity Disorder(DID) as a result of C-PTSD from trauma.

                                                                                      • HeyItsBOOM
                                                                                        HeyItsBOOM  24 hours back

                                                                                        WRONG

                                                                                        • Pedro Marques
                                                                                          Pedro Marques  1 days back

                                                                                          Since i watched the movie i've been thinking about it, i think that the story is real, i mean, it really happened, because the first thing that Arthur said when he sat on the Murray show was: "this is exactly how i imagined it ", if this is all his imagination, why would he imagine him imagining himself on the show. Another thing was the cops investigating him, why would anyone imagine such a discomfortable situation?

                                                                                          • Chong! Jojun! Balsa!
                                                                                            Chong! Jojun! Balsa!  1 days back

                                                                                            Well, you were right partly.

                                                                                            • J.
                                                                                              J.  1 days back

                                                                                              Never has a theory been so wrong so quickly. Didn't even watch the movie.

                                                                                              • J.
                                                                                                J.  1 days back

                                                                                                Except Fleck was adopted. Fleck's life came to a catharsis when he killed the men on the subway. That's when he stopped trying to be what everyone wanted him to be and started being himself. Do you even Joker?