Maybe VR isn't dead after all... - Valve Index Review

  • Published: 12 August 2019
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  • Phillipe
    Phillipe  1 weeks back

    Oculus Rift S, anyone? Linus forgot to mention it entirely!!!!!!! No need for extra cameras at all, for $ 400, it’s a good VR headset...

    • bp968
      bp968  3 hours back

      The Oculus S doesn't have proper ocular adjustments. Its fine if it works for your eyes, but if it doesn't work there is no adjustment to fix it.

      To make the whole things even stupider they put the proper adjustments on the Quest headset.

    • Seth S.
      Seth S.  4 hours back

      @Zenroy yeah wmr is

    • jake fever
      jake fever  22 hours back

      @Linus Tech Tips what about the oculus quest

    • Robert Guerra
      Robert Guerra  1 days back

      and he does mention the rift a little bit 6:29

    • Robert Guerra
      Robert Guerra  1 days back

      yea but you dont get room scale and precision tracking like you do with the valve

  • Ivan Irving
    Ivan Irving  1 hours back

    I have the same sword.

    • CanadianLoki76
      CanadianLoki76  1 hours back

      12:02 lol, you want a strap-on experience.. Linus you shouldn't talk about your bedroom preferences on YouTube. Ha ha..

      • Eragonnogare
        Eragonnogare  1 hours back

        For the most out of the finger tracking, things like valves own hand lab are the best, as we move forward it will almost definitely improve across the board, but that really shows some of the potential. Fully new games developed with the index in mind will be truly amazing.

        • Yogurt Banana
          Yogurt Banana  3 hours back

          Gotta love cats

          • A K
            A K  3 hours back

            exercise for inside dwellers?

            • Lacto
              Lacto  3 hours back

              I've never used VR sets. Is PS VR for PS4 Slim still worth? I want to use it just for games like vr chat.

              • Thicc Boiii
                Thicc Boiii  4 hours back

                I definitely respect that this type of tech exists but this is 100000% not what I am looking for after a day's work. Mostly still seems like a proof of concept/tech demo whenever I see these. I do not even think that the ultimate, logical landing point for this type of tech will be video games. Maybe I am in the minority on that but this tech will always seem insanely niche to me.

                • Zac
                  Zac  4 hours back

                  So odd that I vaguely get some sense of motion sickness watching this. Arizona sunshine on psvr is to blame for that.

                  • THE MAD TECHIE
                    THE MAD TECHIE  4 hours back

                    WOW the new headset comes with a Cat!

                    • THE MAD TECHIE
                      THE MAD TECHIE  4 hours back

                      Sword on mantle needs to be turned around and flipped over , samurai swords should rest on spine in saya not edge and handle should be to the left. (Because Samurai were trained right handed it is considered welcoming to display a sword with handle to the left and confrontational to put handle to the right , unless its a time of war. Are you or the nation of Canada at war?) :)

                      • sharpenednoodles
                        sharpenednoodles  5 hours back

                        >Valve Index review
                        >Doesn't play boneworks

                        • James C
                          James C  5 hours back

                          It would be entirely worth it to see a flight Sim centric edition of this review. DCS World

                          • WillieRants
                            WillieRants  5 hours back

                            What plugs into the light houses? Just a 2-wire DC connection or does it also require USB and/or other? How close or far away can the light houses be for say larger/smaller rooms?

                            • zmc33
                              zmc33  5 hours back

                              a 'strap on experience'. lol 12:02

                              • James C
                                James C  5 hours back

                                "strap-on experience" @12:00 Maybe a new game title idea.

                                • Steffen R.
                                  Steffen R.  5 hours back

                                  i think the rift s is the much better deal

                                  • Fleetmenace
                                    Fleetmenace  5 hours back

                                    4,3,2,1 we are vr, brought back so many memories

                                    • Nyran Stanton
                                      Nyran Stanton  6 hours back

                                      VR is miles away from anything i wan tto have a go at yet. But its cool its getting there eventually. Im surprised you didnt try Skyrim VR or DOOM VR.

                                      • Saltiboii
                                        Saltiboii  6 hours back

                                        13:07 security down bois

                                        • Mina Haroun
                                          Mina Haroun  6 hours back

                                          I Have a Asus 14" laptop with 1070 q card. I take my Oculus Rift S everywhere and set up in seconds. I take it to parties, i take it between my place and my friends and parents. All i have to do is plug in usb3 and dport via usbc and tell it forward direction and optionally draw a border to my game area. It takes 3min at most and I'm playing VR anywhere.

                                          • Spicy Meatball
                                            Spicy Meatball  6 hours back

                                            *Linus 2019:* I still do wish that it was more of a _strap on_ experience. 11:55

                                            • Controls of Quality
                                              Controls of Quality  6 hours back

                                              Just ordered mine. Can't wait!

                                              • Impasta
                                                Impasta  6 hours back

                                                11:57 for a strapon experience

                                                • xXRedWolfXx
                                                  xXRedWolfXx  8 hours back

                                                  If you wish for a better Strap-On Experience, Ask your wife about "pegging".

                                                  • Keter
                                                    Keter  8 hours back

                                                    Linus "I do wish it was more of a strap-on experience" tech tips

                                                    • C B
                                                      C B  8 hours back

                                                      Does the cat get it's OWN headset to knock things onto the virtual floor during a game?

                                                      • Mr. Blunt
                                                        Mr. Blunt  8 hours back

                                                        Man I’d kick my cats ass to its mouth if it dropped my expensive equipment like that. I’m old fashioned. Nowadays people call that abuse. Smh

                                                        • BangGangEiskalt
                                                          BangGangEiskalt  8 hours back

                                                          Linus "strap-on experience" Sebastian

                                                          • Upwardtitan7624
                                                            Upwardtitan7624  9 hours back

                                                            13:13 that meow melted my heart

                                                            • DBA
                                                              DBA  9 hours back

                                                              your cat must really like boxes

                                                              • David Robinson
                                                                David Robinson  10 hours back

                                                                Cute cat. Dead cat!

                                                                • wee_man135
                                                                  wee_man135  10 hours back

                                                                  The Samsung HMD Odyssey Mixed Reality VR headset is my personal VR headset. It's never disappointed.

                                                                  • Tohdom
                                                                    Tohdom  10 hours back

                                                                    wow. New technology to play the same stupid stand-still shooters? wow...

                                                                    • Jared Bienz
                                                                      Jared Bienz  10 hours back

                                                                      Hey Linus. If your wife is having motion sickness issues I highly recommend spending some time evaluating your graphics pipeline. I recently got an Index myself and started having motion sickness again (though I hadn't experienced it since my original DK2). And personally, I'm running a 1080 TI.

                                                                      Some things I recommend you try:

                                                                      1. Get an app called fpsVR from Steam and run it before the game. Check to make sure your frame rates really are what you think they are. Some of the tech in SteamVR can make you think there are more frames than they are, but this tech can also wreak havoc on those that suffer from simulator sickness.
                                                                      2. Open Steam VR settings and pay attention to the performance metrics. Especially pay attention to Reprojection and Motion Smoothing. If your rig is not able to keep up with the refresh rate of the display (90, 120 or 144) it will drop into one of these two modes.
                                                                      3. Reprojection is the worst because it's having to reuse old frames. This is also seen as Judder. But I personally believe that even Motion Smoothing was making me sick. Motion Smoothing tries to create new frames based on path prediction. But if, for example, you quickly turn your head, you may end up with a frame drawn on the predicted path rather than the actual path. I believe this is what was making me sick. I recommend turning Motion Smoothing OFF and reducing your quality settings until you hit the target frame rate.
                                                                      4. Check your quality settings. Both under the Frame Timing AND under the Application tab. If Frame Timing is 150% (the default recommended value for the Valve Index, BTW), all games will run at 150% even if their Application settings are at 100%. My 1080 TI was struggling to keep up with the default 150% metric, which was dropping it into Motion Smoothing. Again, I recommend turning OFF Motion Smoothing and turning your quality settings down (in-game, in the Steam VR settings or both) until your hardware can hit the target without assitance.
                                                                      5. Pick the right balance between 120 Hz and 144 Hz. 144 Hz will help with simulator sickness but at the cost of visual fidelity. If your wife is especially susceptible you might want to choose 144 Hz over the graphics quality. But that will be a balance that's up to her.
                                                                      6. Consider a graphics card upgrade. I will be switching to a 2080 TI soon, but even the much cheaper 2080 Super would allow you to render significantly more visual fidelity while also maintaining 144 Hz.

                                                                      Best of luck. I feel her pain, so do let us know what you find and I hope she's able to enjoy VR soon without the sickness!

                                                                      • Joshua
                                                                        Joshua  10 hours back

                                                                        Linus got the wii u

                                                                        • John Doe
                                                                          John Doe  10 hours back

                                                                          so what ever comes after index will be ready to buy ... wel if the drop the price to somthing like 250

                                                                          • Zulatek666
                                                                            Zulatek666  10 hours back

                                                                            This was a great video Linus. Please make more videos like this! I would love to hear your opinion of the Rift S compared to this.

                                                                            • gnarlin
                                                                              gnarlin  10 hours back

                                                                              Does the cat come standard or do you have to pay extra?

                                                                              • lo l
                                                                                lo l  11 hours back

                                                                                The wire is still obnoxious. the headset is still uncomfortable after long periods. Games are still glorified demos. You have to have all your lights on for tracking. its expensive as all hell. I dont have the index but if they somehow fixed all those problems. Maybe it isn't dead :D. Finger movement was the last thing I was concerned about them fixing xD.

                                                                                • Nick Heyer
                                                                                  Nick Heyer  11 hours back

                                                                                  "Meat Handle" and "Strap On experience"? Linus, you've got some demons, don't you?

                                                                                  • Pvt. Pepe
                                                                                    Pvt. Pepe  11 hours back

                                                                                    +1 for box kitty

                                                                                    • Beeg Yoshi
                                                                                      Beeg Yoshi  11 hours back

                                                                                      I keep on seeing them everywhere.

                                                                                      • Independent Thought
                                                                                        Independent Thought  11 hours back

                                                                                        Is the cat sold seperately.

                                                                                        • Sarcasm
                                                                                          Sarcasm  11 hours back

                                                                                          why is there a cat in the box

                                                                                          • Vinnie
                                                                                            Vinnie  11 hours back

                                                                                            Liked for feline free gift included in VR kit.

                                                                                            • Lain
                                                                                              Lain  11 hours back

                                                                                              Cat in the box is for the internet connection.

                                                                                              • Ethan DeBee
                                                                                                Ethan DeBee  12 hours back

                                                                                                he’s contradicting himself being like “this is the first time i’m trying the headset” and then being like “yeah i got some pressure points on my nose THE FIRST night” then opening up the box and the cat being inside 😂 clear he is definitely acting but very good review!